tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post3530868067927597737..comments2023-10-30T19:03:59.225+01:00Comments on David Seaton's News Links: How I learned to love the bombDavid Seaton's Newslinkshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00269813419598042699noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-49208308127893667842009-10-05T19:33:08.629+02:002009-10-05T19:33:08.629+02:00Nuclear weapons keep war contained.
They deter ag...Nuclear weapons keep war contained.<br /><br />They deter against attack by other nuclear weapons. They deter against all out conventional war. Neither India or Pakistan have had an all out war, either nuclear or conventional, but it did not stop the Kargil fight or the Bombay murders.<br /><br />Israel's nukes did not deter Hezbollah's or Hamas'rockets. Israel's nukes did not let it defeat Hezbollah or Hamas, even though 20% of Lebanese were turned into refugees and all of the Gazans are on short rations.<br /><br />There was no all out conventional war between NATO and the Warsaw Pact but it did not stop numerous proxy wars in Vietnam, Angola, Afghanistan, etc.<br /><br />It is worth noting that Iran's nuclear weapons program started in the mid 80s during the Iran Iraq war and ended in 2003 after Iraq was no longer a threat. If both had been nuclear armed, the war would not have happened. Right now, if Iran had the bomb it would deter against a nuclear attack by Israel; it might not deter against a conventional bombing attack by Israel.<br /><br />It is also worth noting that Iran had been working on its nuclear program for 20 years without producing enough weapons grade uranium, much less a working bomb. I get the impression that the technology is a lot harder to master than the pundits would have you believe.<br /><br />It might make the world more peaceable if we sold the Iranians nuclear weapons. <br /><br />The Iranian government is corrupt and dictatorial but they are not suicidal. Just like no state has launched a nuclear attack since Nagasaki, neither would Iran. Note that no state has sponsored suicide bombers.Forensic economistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-77318670910899100612009-10-03T20:02:16.301+02:002009-10-03T20:02:16.301+02:00No I get the point. I just think it's incredib...No I get the point. I just think it's incredibly misguided. <br /><br />The proliferation of nuclear weapons doesnt make their use "unthinkable". And it hasnt stopped conventional warfare from happening either. But is has given small groups of people the ability to kill alot of people really easily. The Persian people probably are too cultured to use the weapon as people like to point out, but all it takes is one group of nutjobs to turn some part of the earth into a quiet neighborhood for a couple hunrdred years.<br /><br />If I were Europeans, I wouldnt be worried so much about the nukes as I'd be worried about the ballistic missiles that Iran keeps firing that could carry a warhead. You might want to be a little concerned in Paris and Madrid and Berlin.<br /><br />Whoops, I missed an apostrophe! I guess that invalidates everything I said! I dont see anyone asking you to be civil here, probably because your another left wing hack like them who always has to resort to condescension and the same old tired arguments of racism, sexism, etc. Or the case of Europeans it's always about class. How is it that so many intelligent people are so unable to defend their position intelligently? That's the problem Obama and progressives all over the world are having right now. Reality is slapping you in the face once again.<br /><br /><br />AdamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-20097333305489134232009-10-03T00:07:09.636+02:002009-10-03T00:07:09.636+02:00I think that you are missing the point, Adam. And ...I think that you are missing the point, Adam. And could we keep the discussion civil please?Anansinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-42955750363804928822009-10-02T20:30:16.756+02:002009-10-02T20:30:16.756+02:00"...your an idiotic..."
Hey, Adam, is..."...your an idiotic..." <br /><br />Hey, Adam, is that how they spell >you're< in the trailer park where you live?<br /><br />El FlacoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-36499774736284381922009-10-01T19:14:41.390+02:002009-10-01T19:14:41.390+02:00Pfft, "paleo-conservatives". Could your ...Pfft, "paleo-conservatives". Could your nose get higher in the air?<br /><br />Ya know what Sitting Bull would have done with the Gatling gun? He would turned it on Siouz enemies like the Comanchee, Blackfeet, Nez Perce, etc. He would have slaughtered thousands of Native Americans. More Sioux as well as white soldiers would have died.<br /><br />It's not about Iran being able to "stand up" to the bullies with nukes. Obviously that hasnt stopped us from killing each other through proxy wars now has it? It's about what happens if a bomb gets in the hands of a terrorist group. They dont need a ballistic missile, the dont even need the bomb to explode to kill people.<br /><br />Mutually assured destruction seems like a risky think to bet your life on. Not to mention the lives of others.<br /><br />You honestly think that Iran having nuclear weapons wont destablize the region? You honestly think that two countries like Saudia Arabia and Iran pointing nukes at each other (and Israel) isnt a recipe for disaster?Well congratulations, your an idiotic progressive and the impotence of your foreign policies is why "neoconservatism" is making a comeback.<br /><br />Like I said before, Israel will bomb Iran in the spring and Obama will react with wide-eyed shock and dismay (even though he probably already knows about it).<br /><br /><br />AdamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-10546872355622205962009-10-01T17:44:11.299+02:002009-10-01T17:44:11.299+02:00My oldest brother volunteered at age 17 for the Na...My oldest brother volunteered at age 17 for the Navy in WW2. He spent his first year in uniform in New York City, sitting in in jazz clubs whenever he could. 1945 found him offshore of Japan. He tells me he would have gone in to Kyushu on the second wave, as a radio man. The ferocious battles for Okinawa and Iwo Jima had just happened. He figures the invation of Japan would have been worse. He credits the A bomb with saving his life - and saving a lot of Japanese lives.<br /><br />I have heard the arguments that Japan was ready to surrender anyway; and that it was running out of oil and amunition. We will never know. Just thought I would pass on a reminiscence from someone who was there.forensic economistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-9820155367247528992009-09-30T22:16:28.098+02:002009-09-30T22:16:28.098+02:00A somewhat related MAD article, "The Stabilit...A somewhat related MAD article, <a href="http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2009/09/the-stability-of-mad-habakkuk.html#more" rel="nofollow">"The Stability of MAD"</a>, at Pat Lang's <a href="http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/" rel="nofollow">Sic Semper Tyrannis</a> site.anansinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-2395284380905633742009-09-30T20:58:26.493+02:002009-09-30T20:58:26.493+02:00I'm perfectly serious. I have had this idea si...I'm perfectly serious. I have had this idea since I was quite young. I could see that the only thing that was keeping the USA and the USSR from fighting an all out war was atomic terror. I had studied the two world wars in some depth and having heard a friend of my parents describe how he fire bombed Tokyo, I found the words, "conventional weapons" of little comfort. <br /><br />I honestly believe that I owe my life to the atomic bomb and the seriousness it imposed on otherwise venal and silly politicians.<br /><br />When push comes to show, in having a jaundiced view of the good sense of large masses of people, I am quite similar to some paleo-conservatives.David Seaton's Newslinkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00269813419598042699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-45962667980150867882009-09-30T18:22:49.273+02:002009-09-30T18:22:49.273+02:00PS A belated thanks to Forensic Economist on the ...PS A belated thanks to Forensic Economist on the whole flag thing.<br /><br /><br />AdamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-28099103187706210612009-09-30T18:20:36.035+02:002009-09-30T18:20:36.035+02:00I hope your trying to pull a Jonathan Swift with t...I hope your trying to pull a Jonathan Swift with that one.<br /><br />You seem like the kind of guy who marched at non-proliferation rallies when you were younger.<br /><br />Doesnt matter, Israel will bomb Iran in the spring.<br /><br /><br />AdamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-5071023845296655812009-09-30T12:53:54.615+02:002009-09-30T12:53:54.615+02:00It is very hard to look at it from that perspectiv...It is very hard to look at it from that perspective, because the greatest value of atomic weapons is that their use is "unthinkable". The horror is the blessing so to speak.David Seaton's Newslinkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00269813419598042699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-80608161983146650552009-09-29T20:18:51.868+02:002009-09-29T20:18:51.868+02:00Interesting post. I hadn't looked at it from t...Interesting post. I hadn't looked at it from that perspective but it makes sense.Anansinoreply@blogger.com