tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post656709215112547840..comments2023-10-30T19:03:59.225+01:00Comments on David Seaton's News Links: Why do Peggy Noonan, George Will and David Brooks favor Obama?David Seaton's Newslinkshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00269813419598042699noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-29007045684208931642008-02-14T13:32:00.000+01:002008-02-14T13:32:00.000+01:00Tom Burg said...and the Rezko thing is being bandi...Tom Burg said...and the Rezko thing is being bandied about by crackpots. I have yet to read a sober analysis of this issue.<BR/><BR/>Uh...you're kidding, right? Are you trying to say that Obama's own Chcago Sun-Times are a bunch of crackpots? They're the ones who did the investigation, and it's still up on their website for anyone to read. But because people don't hardly read any papers anymore, it just didn't get "out there". <BR/><BR/>And as a 29 year old black man, I don't care about Ricky Ray Rector shooting his own black ass in the head/making himself retarded after killing two people. He couldn't have died faster.<BR/><BR/>Good analysis caro, I just might use it.Say no, you can do it.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15171647609512235417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-39606104826499943692008-02-12T05:24:00.000+01:002008-02-12T05:24:00.000+01:00For someone who has voted party line for all my li...For someone who has voted party line for all my life, mourned Al Gore in 2000, if Clinton doesn't will the nomination; I will take my 10,000 "democratic" supporters and votes to McCain. I'm looking for my leaders to actually do something, not make me feel good. McCain is enough Anti-Bush for me to swallow that pill - remember primary 00'? You can't beat a candidate who is willing to fly coach to glitz and glamour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-78912530385845176232008-02-12T02:23:00.000+01:002008-02-12T02:23:00.000+01:00You are incredibly cynical. Heaven forbid a Republ...You are incredibly cynical. Heaven forbid a Republican say something NICE about a Democrat. <BR/><BR/><BR/>We've got a long way to go people....Cleverbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09108982783761869121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-55972427365965018682008-02-11T23:16:00.000+01:002008-02-11T23:16:00.000+01:00David said: Huh?A classic scene from The Princess ...David said: <I>Huh?</I><BR/><BR/>A classic scene from <A HREF="http://imdb.com/title/tt0093779/" REL="nofollow">The Princess Bride</A>. It seemed apropos of the "which candidate do they <I>really</I> want" question. For those not familiar with the movie, I should have included the all-important punchline, which follows and is particularly apropos of the Republicans' attitude in this and every POTUS election:<BR/><BR/>[Vizzini makes his guess.]<BR/><BR/>Dread Pirate Roberts: You guessed wrong.<BR/><BR/>Vizzini: You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!! Ha ha ha... [Vizzini stops suddenly, and drops dead to the right]<BR/><BR/>Buttercup: Who are you?<BR/><BR/>Dread Pirate Roberts: I'm no one to be trifled with. That is all you ever need know.<BR/><BR/>Buttercup: And to think, all that time it was your cup that was poisoned.<BR/><BR/>Dread Pirate Roberts: They were both poisoned. I spent the last few years building up an immunity to iocane powder.anonymehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03368041541817520082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-58100369151246458322008-02-11T22:05:00.000+01:002008-02-11T22:05:00.000+01:00and the Rezko thing is being bandied about by crac...and the Rezko thing is being bandied about by crackpots. I have yet to read a sober analysis of this issue. Do you think this is more damning than Whitewater, or Gennifer Flowers, or getting out of serving in Vietnam, or $800,000 investment windfalls?<BR/><BR/>Every candidate has dirt, real or invented.Tim Blurghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578927549449525169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-18858738656232545312008-02-11T22:03:00.000+01:002008-02-11T22:03:00.000+01:0047% of the country doesn't want her. So any oppon...47% of the country doesn't want her. So any opponent needs to spend his entire effort, and money, to win over another 5%. And possibly their job's already done if, for example, Bloomberg runs.<BR/><BR/>The GOP absolutely cannot get motivated against Obama like they can Hillary. I talk to republicans (my parents and their friends, for example), who have no ulterior motive and simply call them like they see 'em, and they all say they'd vote for Obama.<BR/><BR/>Methinks you spend too much time looking for conspiracies. I'm not recommending naivete, rather than you simply look at why this may be a legitimate political movement rather than an attempt at GOP subterfuge. Claiming that Noonan and Will are in some grand scheme is simply silly. Of all the conservative columnists, they're the most likely to call them as they see them. You ought to familiarize yourself with their work over the last 20 years.Tim Blurghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578927549449525169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-72730523830303779342008-02-11T21:57:00.000+01:002008-02-11T21:57:00.000+01:00Vizzini: But it's so simple. All I have to do is d...Vizzini: But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.<BR/><BR/>Dread Pirate Roberts: You've made your decision then?<BR/><BR/>Vizzini: Not remotely. Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows, and Australia is entirely peopled with criminals, and criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.<BR/><BR/>Dread Pirate Roberts: Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.<BR/><BR/>Vizzini: WAIT TILL I GET GOING! Where was I?<BR/><BR/>Dread Pirate Roberts: Australia.<BR/><BR/>Vizzini: Yes, Australia. And you must have suspected I would have known the powder's origin, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.<BR/><BR/>Dread Pirate Roberts: You're just stalling now.<BR/><BR/>Vizzini: You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? You've beaten my giant, which means you're exceptionally strong, so you could've put the poison in your own goblet, trusting on your strength to save you, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But, you've also bested my Spaniard, which means you must have studied, and in studying you must have learned that man is mortal, so you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.<BR/><BR/>Dread Pirate Roberts: You're trying to trick me into giving away something. It won't work.<BR/><BR/>Vizzini: IT HAS WORKED! You've given everything away! I KNOW WHERE THE POISON IS!anonymehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03368041541817520082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-72298244978897641112008-02-11T20:15:00.000+01:002008-02-11T20:15:00.000+01:00There are quite a few reasons why the GOP would wa...There are <A HREF="http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">quite a few reasons</A> why the GOP would want Obama to be the Democratic nominee.<BR/><BR/>If I was Karl Rove (horrible thought as that is) I’d want Obama too. Hillary – she’s practically invulnerable. There is no shit left that the GOP can throw at her, and if they do, they’d only produce the voter backlash of the century.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03103042964550662470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-49567407358065829362008-02-11T19:05:00.000+01:002008-02-11T19:05:00.000+01:00I've really noticed a defeatist attitude among ple...I've really noticed a defeatist attitude among plenty of the bloggers, with more than a touch of paranoia. I think it's these same people who have lost any ability to think of politics beyond a strictly red/blue state dichotomy. Like the blog I read which posted the link here: snunes.blogspot.com - claiming that Obama is a sure-fire 50 state loser. That the GOP is setting up the dems to get crushed. <BR/><BR/>You're losers and your mentality is that of a loser. See you on the sidelines.Tim Blurghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578927549449525169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-19959094566154406042008-02-11T18:56:00.000+01:002008-02-11T18:56:00.000+01:00as a 57yr old blkman i cant see myself voting for ...as a 57yr old blkman i cant see myself voting for any of the clintons. i will never forget when bill was running for the 1st presidency..how he put a retarded blackman to death to show his hardness on crime...((ricky ray rector...than there was nafta..juvenile crime bill...welfare reform..habreus corpus..etc etc etcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-56038525139643116232008-02-11T18:47:00.000+01:002008-02-11T18:47:00.000+01:00I don't expect Bill Frist and Trent Lott to step i...I don't expect Bill Frist and Trent Lott to step in and tell McCain to stop beating up on Obama, the way Kennedy and Dashchle stepped into the Democratic Race.<BR/><BR/>Obama has already signaled to the Peggy Noonans that he won't actually run the government if elected. He'll leave that up to a white 'Chief Operating Officer.' If Obama threatened the 'powers that be' in any way, they'd be mobilized against him. His warm and fuzzy 'Movement' doesn't threaten anybody. Obama would be a win-win for Republicans. Easiest to beat, easiest to ignore if he wins.10-Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015520406033557360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-70622136489774043522008-02-11T18:37:00.000+01:002008-02-11T18:37:00.000+01:00I've been saying that for months. All one has to ...I've been saying that for months. All one has to do is look at the fact the media refuses to vet Obama. I seriously doubt Hillary Clinton will win the GE; the one candidate who had the chance, John Edwards, was a victim of the same bias.<BR/><BR/>It is just that Hillary Clinton is the last one left standing in the GOP's way of rigging the Democratic primaries in order to get the perfect strawman, Obama, against McCain. <BR/><BR/>Nixon would have been proud of these sophisticated political dirty tricks.OTE adminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09259422705314063194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-12037553887787751442008-02-11T17:00:00.000+01:002008-02-11T17:00:00.000+01:00I read somewhere that one critic called This Is Yo...I read somewhere that one critic called This Is Your Life the greatest ambush show in the history of television. And all the while Ralph Edwards is standing there holding that book with that barracuda smile saying, "I could REALLY embarass you if I wanted too."<BR/><BR/>No wonder so many people got pissed when they saw him coming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-11336314976196264552008-02-11T08:24:00.000+01:002008-02-11T08:24:00.000+01:00Have a look at neocon William Kristol's piece in t...Have a look at neocon William Kristol's piece <A HREF="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/opinion/11kristol.html" REL="nofollow">in today's NYT</A>.<BR/><BR/>Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case.David Seaton's Newslinkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00269813419598042699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-16038745762750148852008-02-11T06:52:00.000+01:002008-02-11T06:52:00.000+01:00This reverse psychology crap is just that.This reverse psychology crap is just that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-8609345685247442782008-02-11T00:07:00.000+01:002008-02-11T00:07:00.000+01:00I've also been saying this for months- the GOP wou...I've also been saying this for months- the GOP would LOVE Obama as candidate. They're keeping their powder dry.<BR/><BR/>All this talk that Clinton will rally the right and they will be endlessly attacking her- well they will be attacking Obama as well, at least she has experience to beat them back. <BR/><BR/>Should he be the candidate, watch as his admitted drug use becomes an issue, his name, his race.<BR/>The Rovians are ruthless and will stoop to any level.<BR/><BR/>Noonan's suggestion that they will opposing him will be a delicate matter is laughably disingenuous.<BR/>They will be doing their dirtiest to whomever's the candidate.<BR/><BR/>And I do believe Obama is way more vulnerable than Clinton. They haven't even BEGUN with him.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08127397694271558862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-23005005270294090232008-02-10T23:04:00.000+01:002008-02-10T23:04:00.000+01:00Clinton won because of two words -- Ross Perot.Umm...<I>Clinton won because of two words -- Ross Perot.</I><BR/><BR/>Ummmm, no.<BR/><BR/>Every exit poll shows Perot drew votes from Clinton, not Bush.Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03664920037425489644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-73359719304463058412008-02-10T22:45:00.000+01:002008-02-10T22:45:00.000+01:00Madamab,Love your take on it!Madamab,<BR/>Love your take on it!David Seaton's Newslinkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00269813419598042699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-17066083184585519792008-02-10T22:36:00.000+01:002008-02-10T22:36:00.000+01:00David - I completely agree with you. I do hope Oba...David - <A HREF="http://oohnuance.blogspot.com/2008/01/dumbest-reason-evah.html" REL="nofollow">I completely agree with you</A>. <BR/><BR/>I do hope Obama is prepared for the coming storm if he becomes the nominee. I don't have to worry about Hillary.madamabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13182478139356658751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-37695978802315691502008-02-10T22:19:00.000+01:002008-02-10T22:19:00.000+01:00Well, maybe they DO want to face Obama over Clinto...Well, maybe they DO want to face Obama over Clinton; it doesn't mean the 20th-century political aphorisms they use to justify their beliefs will be any more applicable in judging an increasingly 21st-century electorate.<BR/><BR/>It's arguable that these old Republicans and their talking points add more strength to some right wing Iron Hillary hypothesis. I don't doubt that they believe it, too.<BR/><BR/>I hear them, however, and the main thing that comes to my mind is an image of a bunch of walrus-mustachioed generals discussing personnel deployments to the Maginot Line.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-11754906504744916652008-02-10T21:49:00.000+01:002008-02-10T21:49:00.000+01:00The Clintons may have won the WH in the 1990s but ...The Clintons may have won the WH in the 1990s but we lost governorships, state legislatures and senate and house seats under their watch. <BR/><BR/>You seem to ignore Repub pundit after pundit who are salivating for another shot at them. Clinton hatred is the only chance Repubs have to regroup in November. <BR/><BR/>Here in DuPage County IL where Repubs like to brag it's the reddest county in the country voters took more Dem ballots than Repub for the first time in history (132,000 to 109,000). The Repub machine is every bit as entrenched here as Daley's machine is in Cook County. Needless to say homestater Obama trounced Hillary badly but you know what the Repub county chairman attributed it to? Repubs crossing over to vote for Hillary because they see her as the weaker candidate. <BR/><BR/>He's whistling past the graveyeard. The numbers show no great surge for Hillary in the county. It was all Obama. He got 62% in this county where we don't hold one seat on the county board or anywhere else and even beat McCain 81176 to 57428. Hillary got 48799.<BR/><BR/> <BR/>Hillary has no coattails, the Clintons never have. Obama has them in droves. <BR/><BR/>She eeks out wins over Obama where she has the support of big city mayoral machines and the state party apparatus like in MA, CA, and NV. Obama goes into red and swing states and turns out Dems, indies and Repubs in landslides to vote for him. He fights for every vote, she tries to repress them with lawsuits in IA and NV. <BR/><BR/>Like Sarpy County Nebraska Democratic Party Chairman Burke Summers said.<BR/><BR/>"Caucus planners initially requested the high school provide room for 400 people, she said. When nearly 2,000 people showed up, they had to use the gym to accommodate the crowd.<BR/><BR/>After the caucus ended at 3:30 p.m., Lippert and about 10 people gathered up the ballots to begin counting.<BR/><BR/>“The happiest problem ever in Sarpy County,” she said.<BR/><BR/>A final count showed 1,842 cast votes in Sarpy County.<BR/><BR/>“There’s a hell of a lot fewer Republicans in Sarpy County than there were yesterday,” Summers said."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-14515348124130367842008-02-10T20:58:00.000+01:002008-02-10T20:58:00.000+01:00I have been saying this for three months. The medi...I have been saying this for three months. The media hates Clinton, the Republicans hate Cinton, and even the progressives hate Clinton.<BR/>The media has been coddling Obama from the begining. He says that he has been vetted by one of the best " the Clinton Team", but he hasn't.The media has been his protector all along.<BR/>Now, to the general election. Here is how I see the way the media wants it come out; McCain vs Obama, and when that happens, they love the story of an "old war horse" like McCain, coming back from the dead to beat the "Golden Boy"( no slur intended)of the Democratic party.<BR/>I have watche the progressives get so enamored with Sen. Obama ( who I really like), because they just can't stand the thought of Hillary in the Whitehouse( almost as much as the Republicans hate the thought).<BR/>The Clintons ARE the ones that theRepublicans fear the most. Forget the poll numbers now. She knows hao to winAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-14029089278176904372008-02-10T20:10:00.000+01:002008-02-10T20:10:00.000+01:00I have a feeling that Carolyn Kaye has a list for ...I have a feeling that Carolyn Kaye has a list for Hillary and McCain also. I'm going to look for that.<BR/>Meanwhile, the idea is to get elected and the Obama strategy has so far proven superior to others' and he looks like the candidate and probably the President. I'm not a supporter of any of these folks, but in the default of who will win and who will do me and the country the least harm, Obama looks good. I am aware of the fact that he is a politician, not a candidate for sainthood, although it does seem that many of his supporters are confused about that issue.<BR/>Politicians lie like used car salesmen but they are in a higher income bracket. Is this news?<BR/>We are handicapping who will win is the idea. Anything can happen in the next nine months, but right now, two of the three contenders {three of the four if you count Huckabee} were the least likely to get anywhere 9 months ago.<BR/>And the plain truth remains that Hillary is NOT a remotely sympathetic figure and is also clearly no longer any kind of frontrunner, which leaves her premise as: Elect Mrs. Big Dog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-86532666603745007372008-02-10T17:49:00.000+01:002008-02-10T17:49:00.000+01:00Yes, Hillary Clinton is running such a formidable ...Yes, Hillary Clinton is running such a formidable campaign that it's being whipped around like a rag doll by an upstart... simply masterful. <BR/><BR/>I personally think conservatives are talking brave, but have a stake in the Dem nominee because primary attendance numbers are telling them they won't win.janinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06043730697545679792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36646589.post-43176228031546923682008-02-10T17:14:00.000+01:002008-02-10T17:14:00.000+01:00Please. Clinton won because of two words -- Ross P...Please. Clinton won because of two words -- Ross Perot. He had less of the popular vote than either Gore or Kerry. The Democrats are going to shoot themselves in the foot and give the nomination to a woman who is unelectable. <BR/><BR/>Not only will you put on hold the closest thing to a stateman this country has seen since JFK, you will ignore the scream of the people that want change. I hope that scream does not go away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com